Forums - ST: Old sagat vs New sagat Show all 43 posts from this thread on one page Forums (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/index.php) - Strategy & Tactics (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=10) -- ST: Old sagat vs New sagat (http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=39013) Posted by sykocrashaa on 09:08:2001 07:25 PM: ST: Old sagat vs New sagat I know that old sagat has better fireball recovery and better uppercut, but is that enough reason for me to play him over the new sagat? I mean you do lose throw recovery and tiger genocide(which i find is an effective super) and his standing roundhouse doesn't seem like its any better for old sagat... I'm gonna start playing sagat a bit more so I want to know which one is more effective at the high level of play. well? Posted by Red Spiral on 09:08:2001 08:16 PM: Old Sagat is okay, the fireballs aren't really that fast, compared to Hyper Fighting. Tiger Genocide lacks range and power unless you land it head on, so I wouldn't reccomend it. I rarely use supers so try Old characters and new. Posted by roboticus on 09:10:2001 04:25 PM: Re: ST: Old sagat vs New sagat quote: Originally posted by sykocrashaa I know that old sagat has better fireball recovery and better uppercut, but is that enough reason for me to play him over the new sagat? I mean you do lose throw recovery and tiger genocide(which i find is an effective super) and his standing roundhouse doesn't seem like its any better for old sagat... I'm gonna start playing sagat a bit more so I want to know which one is more effective at the high level of play. well? O.Sagat all the way, while I'm sure N.Sagat can be effective, but not nearly as effective as O.Sagat. O.Sagat's fb trap is the best in the game, hands down. Mixing up those fbs invites jump ins and makes the opponent eat a lot of block dmg. You don't have to worry about trying to land the super. S.rh is not used to much w/O.S. You'll find more s.short xx fb to effectuate the trap. S.short up close hits twice, extending the opponents block stun. Dale Posted by Masaka on 09:10:2001 05:00 PM: If you ever want to hear a round of laughter at a ST tournament, pick New Sagat Here's what you get with the "powerhouse" that is New Sagat: 1) throw softening 2) multi hit uppercut 3) super Here's what you get with O. Sagat 1) Faster walking speed 2) Faster releasing/flying speed tigers 3) a higher damage tiger uppercut Sagat's entire game focuses on his ability to keep opponents pinned in the corner, and baiting them into jumping into a big damage uppercut. If you pick N. Sagat, you've already hurt your gameplan, because you're moving slower than O. Sagat and your fireballs are releasing and flying much slower, thus reducing the effectivness of your trap. Your tiger uppercut is also doing less damage. Nothing that New Sagat gives you helps your gameplan at all. The super adds NOTHING to your game at all, and the multi-hit uppercut is a joke. The one thing that's helpful is the throw softening. However, if somebody is staying close enough to you as Sagat to throw you constantly, there are other issues to discuss. Masaka Posted by JumpsuitJesse on 09:10:2001 05:10 PM: Just play John Choi's Sagat....you'll get the picture. Watching someone play against that kind of OG Sagat player is like watching the first 15 minutes of Saving Private Ryan. Tiger shots hit you like a wall of bullets! JumpsuitJesse "STAND UP AND SHOUT!!!!!" Steel Dragon - Rockstar Posted by mad on 09:11:2001 07:38 AM: honda own old and new sagat!:> Posted by mad on 09:11:2001 09:07 AM: quote: Originally posted by Masaka If you ever want to hear a round of laughter at a ST tournament, pick New Sagat Here's what you get with the "powerhouse" that is New Sagat: 1) throw softening 2) multi hit uppercut 3) super Here's what you get with O. Sagat 1) Faster walking speed 2) Faster releasing/flying speed tigers 3) a higher damage tiger uppercut Sagat's entire game focuses on his ability to keep opponents pinned in the corner, and baiting them into jumping into a big damage uppercut. If you pick N. Sagat, you've already hurt your gameplan, because you're moving slower than O. Sagat and your fireballs are releasing and flying much slower, thus reducing the effectivness of your trap. Your tiger uppercut is also doing less damage. Nothing that New Sagat gives you helps your gameplan at all. The super adds NOTHING to your game at all, and the multi-hit uppercut is a joke. The one thing that's helpful is the throw softening. However, if somebody is staying close enough to you as Sagat to throw you constantly, there are other issues to discuss. Masaka not!new sagat is better!u forget his J.forward is great crossup move???plus,the fierce uppercut do same damage as the old.sagat's if u get all 5 hits..... but i still dun think sagat is top...he is definately middle tier.....ryu fb is the best in the game cos he had super fb that beat sagat's! Posted by Iceman on 09:11:2001 02:05 PM: Ok, something this funny can cheer you up. New Sagat is good for his cross-up j.forward. Good advice Posted by sf2t on 09:11:2001 02:42 PM: quote: Originally posted by Iceman Ok, something this funny can cheer you up. New Sagat is good for his cross-up j.forward. Good advice i think old and new sagat's power are equal......but who care?i rather go back to play my rog!akuma's killer! Posted by Iceman on 09:11:2001 03:11 PM: You do that. I'll go sharpen up on my New Sagat Posted by noswad on 09:11:2001 04:11 PM: quote: Originally posted by mad not!new sagat is better!u forget his J.forward is great crossup move???plus,the fierce uppercut do same damage as the old.sagat's if u get all 5 hits..... but i still dun think sagat is top...he is definately middle tier.....ryu fb is the best in the game cos he had super fb that beat sagat's! You don't even need a crossup with old sagat.. It doesn't matter if he has one or not. Let's say the uppercuts do the same damage, if you get all 5 hits with N.Sagat. This is still a glaring adavntage for O.Sagat. All he has to do is get one hit to get full damage... ONE hit. That's it. He doesn't have to try to get 5 or whatever, just ONE. Ryu's FB is the best because he has a super FB? How does his super FB make his regular FB better? what if ryu doesn't have meter? I don't even play ST all that much, and it's pretty obvious to me. Posted by roboticus on 09:11:2001 04:15 PM: quote: Originally posted by mad not!new sagat is better!u forget his J.forward is great crossup move???plus,the fierce uppercut do same damage as the old.sagat's if u get all 5 hits..... but i still dun think sagat is top...he is definately middle tier.....ryu fb is the best in the game cos he had super fb that beat sagat's! How the hell are you going to build super meter when you're blocking tiger shots all day? 5 hit uppercut is just as good as deep jab TU. Why the hell are you trying to cross-up anyone? Is that your gameplan? To do large dmging combos? That's why you're such a scrub! That's not what ST is about. This is not A2 or A3, or a SF3 game. This is pure SF: well-timed combos, wake-up games, traps, and counters. Dale Posted by Masaka on 09:11:2001 05:55 PM: I'd just like to point out that Kalok/Mad/Sumo/Balrog/chun/Grimlock whatever is just a troll. 99% of his posts are meaningless and often pointless drivel, so I don't bother to reply to them You can probably all save yourself a great deal of stress by doing likewise. Masaka Posted by Iceman on 09:11:2001 06:55 PM: Fear his words Masaka. You will tremble before the might of my New Sagat Posted by Masaka on 09:11:2001 07:55 PM: quote: Originally posted by Iceman Fear his words Masaka. You will tremble before the might of my New Sagat don't make me play old thawk Posted by Iceman on 09:11:2001 09:16 PM: *Pisses his pants* Posted by mad on 09:12:2001 02:24 AM: quote: Originally posted by noswad You don't even need a crossup with old sagat.. It doesn't matter if he has one or not. Let's say the uppercuts do the same damage, if you get all 5 hits with N.Sagat. This is still a glaring adavntage for O.Sagat. All he has to do is get one hit to get full damage... ONE hit. That's it. He doesn't have to try to get 5 or whatever, just ONE. Ryu's FB is the best because he has a super FB? How does his super FB make his regular FB better? what if ryu doesn't have meter? I don't even play ST all that much, and it's pretty obvious to me. u fool!!!!!!!!!ryu sc is no use?????wtf????his sc is the cheapest!!!!!dun u know wht is'wake up then eat my sc'of ryu? sagat is a sucker and can do nothing when ryu had his super charged,i think this match is 8-2 in ryu;s favour......:P Posted by loki on 09:12:2001 11:38 AM: i'm new to ST, so don't laugh tooo hard at this question. How do you choose O.Sagat in ST, and how do you choose other O. Chracters????? loki, budding ST player^_^ Posted by st man on 09:12:2001 11:44 AM: quote: Originally posted by loki i'm new to ST, so don't laugh tooo hard at this question. How do you choose O.Sagat in ST, and how do you choose other O. Chracters????? loki, budding ST player^_^ gamefaqs.com but,i should point out that sagat is only middle tier in the game.... Posted by Shuzer on 09:12:2001 12:58 PM: quote: Originally posted by mad sagat is a sucker and can do nothing when ryu had his super charged,i think this match is 8-2 in ryu;s favour......:P But what can Ryu do when he DOESN'T have super charged? Posted by mad on 09:13:2001 05:11 AM: quote: Originally posted by Shuzer But what can Ryu do when he DOESN'T have super charged? u his fb to neutralize sagat's fb,HK over it or even jump in attack when low tiger is fire..... sagat is no longer top tier in ST. Posted by roboticus on 09:13:2001 03:11 PM: quote: Originally posted by Shuzer But what can Ryu do when he DOESN'T have super charged? Do not listen to Chan-Grimlock. He doesn't know anything, particularly how dangerous Sagat is. Go up north in CA to SHGL where they have ST and play those guys, I'm sure there might be one closer to you in LA. Like Jumpsuit Jesse said, they come out like Machine Gun fire. HK makes you eat one when you land, and you can't neutralize it w/your own FB b/c Sagat's are faster. Ryu can come close, but eventually he will be forced to block. You're only hope is to hope that you can fool Sagat and jump in on him. However, a good Sagat is always trying to bait you to jump by mixing up high-low tigers w/slow high tiger shots. I've managed to win a few rounds (not matches) against the top Sagat players at MWC (losing b/c of panicking). Ryu must close the distance on Sagat. HK (short over low tigers, especially slow ones). You may have to dp thru a couple of ones, too. You will also find yourself jumping straight up a lot, this breaks the fb-trap for a little bit. Learn to do f+fr xx fb/dp to advance. This is Ryu's rushing punch. Also, learn Ryu's sweep from max range. Sagat extends his hit box when he low tigers. Cancel all blocked sweeps into fbs. Learn this combo: j.fr, c.strong, c.fwd xx fb -- the link from c.strong to c.fwd is somewhat difficult (easy to miss). Even if you miss, you should continue the combo to build meter. Even though f+fr and hk builds meter, don't abuse them as that what Sagat wants you to do, to bait you into doing those moves so that he can nail you w/a tiger or a TU. In theory, this match should be 5-5, but it's more often 7-3 (Sagat). Dale Posted by akiman on 09:14:2001 11:18 AM: quote: Originally posted by roboticus Do not listen to Chan-Grimlock. He doesn't know anything, particularly how dangerous Sagat is. Go up north in CA to SHGL where they have ST and play those guys, I'm sure there might be one closer to you in LA. Like Jumpsuit Jesse said, they come out like Machine Gun fire. HK makes you eat one when you land, and you can't neutralize it w/your own FB b/c Sagat's are faster. Ryu can come close, but eventually he will be forced to block. You're only hope is to hope that you can fool Sagat and jump in on him. However, a good Sagat is always trying to bait you to jump by mixing up high-low tigers w/slow high tiger shots. I've managed to win a few rounds (not matches) against the top Sagat players at MWC (losing b/c of panicking). Ryu must close the distance on Sagat. HK (short over low tigers, especially slow ones). You may have to dp thru a couple of ones, too. You will also find yourself jumping straight up a lot, this breaks the fb-trap for a little bit. Learn to do f+fr xx fb/dp to advance. This is Ryu's rushing punch. Also, learn Ryu's sweep from max range. Sagat extends his hit box when he low tigers. Cancel all blocked sweeps into fbs. Learn this combo: j.fr, c.strong, c.fwd xx fb -- the link from c.strong to c.fwd is somewhat difficult (easy to miss). Even if you miss, you should continue the combo to build meter. Even though f+fr and hk builds meter, don't abuse them as that what Sagat wants you to do, to bait you into doing those moves so that he can nail you w/a tiger or a TU. In theory, this match should be 5-5, but it's more often 7-3 (Sagat). Dale it's strange!in hongkong st,no one use sagat!!!everybody think he suck,but why in US,u guys so over-rated him?and his fb is faster than ryu?wtf,ryu is the best fireballer in the game(SC fb)! sure his fb is fast,but his opponent is even MUCH faster than him,i.e.chunli,vega,blanka,etc.they can almost jumpin to combo sagat when he fb all day long...not to mention he can't fb trap honda.... i feel US st guys are wrong with top tier..... Posted by crossover on 09:14:2001 05:47 PM: wow, lots of [sarcasm]really good[/sarcasm] posts from a few parties involved. OG Sagat is by far the better charater. You can't soften throws, wah. if someone is that close to you with OG sagat and you are not rushing down you may be doing somethign wrong. No super? uh, yeah you have one it's call standing RH fierce uppercut and enough of the me grimlock say kup and hot rod close...you are poor Posted by nin on 09:15:2001 08:10 AM: quote: Originally posted by crossover wow, lots of [sarcasm]really good[/sarcasm] posts from a few parties involved. OG Sagat is by far the better charater. You can't soften throws, wah. if someone is that close to you with OG sagat and you are not rushing down you may be doing somethign wrong. No super? uh, yeah you have one it's call standing RH fierce uppercut and enough of the me grimlock say kup and hot rod close...you are poor fuck your asshole!i never dead.... Posted by sykocrashaa on 09:16:2001 12:50 AM: From playing both Sagats for a while now, I can now definitely see the difference between the new and old sagat. By far I used the old sagat more effectively and I found out that the faster tiger shot and its better recovery is more worth it than anything that new sagat has. Sagat is now one of my best ST characters, besides maybe Vega... and I have managed to rack up many wins with him. I definitely think that he is top tier. Posted by Cheesey on 09:16:2001 01:17 AM: Sorry, please don't flame me, but i'm new to these forums. What is ST? Posted by UniqueName on 09:16:2001 02:11 AM: Cheesy: ST stands for Super Turbo, as in Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Akiman: Maybe in Hong Kong you think O.Sagat is weak, but then again maybe you guys just don't play him enough, or playing him but not abusing his fireballs. If you do the fireballs right people first have to be careful moving forward into jumping range, they are taking a bit of block damage as they do usually, and one of the big things sagat is waiting for is to time a tiger uppercut to stuff your jump in and take off a good deal of damage. Usually it's fairly hard to jump in against a good O.Sagat cause one he is raining fireballs at you, and is ready to tiger uppercut you, so what you wind up doing is usually slowly moving forward until you are in range to do a ground game against Sagat. If you aren't convinced why not read up the article by John Choi on his trip to Japan, where he states that the Japanese were surprised at how strong O.Sagat actually is, as they had mostly written him off like I think you have. Posted by nin on 09:16:2001 07:13 AM: quote: Originally posted by UniqueName Cheesy: ST stands for Super Turbo, as in Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo. Akiman: Maybe in Hong Kong you think O.Sagat is weak, but then again maybe you guys just don't play him enough, or playing him but not abusing his fireballs. If you do the fireballs right people first have to be careful moving forward into jumping range, they are taking a bit of block damage as they do usually, and one of the big things sagat is waiting for is to time a tiger uppercut to stuff your jump in and take off a good deal of damage. Usually it's fairly hard to jump in against a good O.Sagat cause one he is raining fireballs at you, and is ready to tiger uppercut you, so what you wind up doing is usually slowly moving forward until you are in range to do a ground game against Sagat. If you aren't convinced why not read up the article by John Choi on his trip to Japan, where he states that the Japanese were surprised at how strong O.Sagat actually is, as they had mostly written him off like I think you have. here is some sagat hard fight:honda,vega,blanka. Posted by Iceman on 09:16:2001 08:44 AM: UniqueName: You raised some good points about O.Sagat. Really, considering he only has 2 bad fights he's definatly one of the best. Those fights being Dhalsim (who just kills him) and Balrog, but only after Rog gets meter sykocrushaa: Yeah, stick to O.Sagat, he's a powerhouse should you get good with him. BTW, don't over look Bison either (after seeing your avitar). He's another top tier in ST. Posted by nin on 09:16:2001 09:27 AM: quote: Originally posted by Iceman UniqueName: You raised some good points about O.Sagat. Really, considering he only has 2 bad fights he's definatly one of the best. Those fights being Dhalsim (who just kills him) and Balrog, but only after Rog gets meter sykocrushaa: Yeah, stick to O.Sagat, he's a powerhouse should you get good with him. BTW, don't over look Bison either (after seeing your avitar). He's another top tier in ST. wht do u think about sim vs akuma?who u think had a better win chance? Posted by sykocrashaa on 09:16:2001 03:32 PM: quote: Originally posted by Iceman sykocrushaa: Yeah, stick to O.Sagat, he's a powerhouse should you get good with him. BTW, don't over look Bison either (after seeing your avitar). He's another top tier in ST. Yeah needless to say, I play Bison alot in all the games he is in. I use Bison alot in ST as well. Weird, that all my main characters that I use in ST are all bosses Posted by nin on 09:17:2001 09:55 AM: quote: Originally posted by sykocrashaa Yeah needless to say, I play Bison alot in all the games he is in. I use Bison alot in ST as well. Weird, that all my main characters that I use in ST are all bosses strange!!!!do u found that all the big four in sf2 is now top tier in ST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!great.......... btw,is old.sagat had the fastest fb in this game???????????????? thx. Posted by roboticus on 09:17:2001 01:48 PM: quote: Originally posted by nin here is some sagat hard fight:honda,vega,blanka. What? Do you even play the game? How are these hard match-ups? Honda and Blanka both have a hard time getting past Sagat's fb arsenal. By the time you react to getting past a fb, you will TU'd. Both characters have to guess when to past the fb trap, while, granted, both characters can sit back and do nothing, which eventually gets you stuck in the corner. imo, Honda has the harder time, b/c he can't trade like Blanka. Vega cannot apply pressure on Sagat. Constant FB dodging, plus his high arcing jumps make him good TU bait. Vega must make Sagat miss, and attempt missed wall dives (b/c a wall dive that can hit will be TU'd). Like I said, and is the theme of Sagat's gameplan, it's hard to mount pressure when you're ducking fbs. Please respond to us w/your two-bit, two-line strategy so that we can all have a laugh. Dale Posted by nin on 09:18:2001 09:44 AM: quote: Originally posted by roboticus What? Do you even play the game? How are these hard match-ups? Honda and Blanka both have a hard time getting past Sagat's fb arsenal. By the time you react to getting past a fb, you will TU'd. Both characters have to guess when to past the fb trap, while, granted, both characters can sit back and do nothing, which eventually gets you stuck in the corner. imo, Honda has the harder time, b/c he can't trade like Blanka. Vega cannot apply pressure on Sagat. Constant FB dodging, plus his high arcing jumps make him good TU bait. Vega must make Sagat miss, and attempt missed wall dives (b/c a wall dive that can hit will be TU'd). Like I said, and is the theme of Sagat's gameplan, it's hard to mount pressure when you're ducking fbs. Please respond to us w/your two-bit, two-line strategy so that we can all have a laugh. Dale do u even know wht is honda?i guess u never use him before............he is sagat's killer:duck under high tiger and torpedo low tiger for free!!!!!!!!!!! i wonder why u think he had harder time to esape the fb trap.....coz u are honda and ST newbie...:< Posted by superbooga on 09:18:2001 10:12 AM: quote: Originally posted by nin do u even know wht is honda?i guess u never use him before............he is sagat's killer:duck under high tiger and torpedo low tiger for free!!!!!!!!!!! i wonder why u think he had harder time to esape the fb trap.....coz u are honda and ST newbie...:< Yes, torpedo goes over low tiger, but ...you CANNOT torpedo a low tiger every single time on reaction. When you torpedo, you are GUESSING that Sagat is throwing a low tiger. And the probability greatly favors Sagat. So what if Honda can duck under high tiger? Honda can't advance against the high tiger can he? Look, chances are Sagat will hit Honda with 5 times as many tiger shots as Honda can hit Sagat with a torpedo. You cannot jump against Sagat, TU will beat the crap out of you every time. Posted by nin on 09:18:2001 10:29 AM: quote: Originally posted by superbooga Yes, torpedo goes over low tiger, but ...you CANNOT torpedo a low tiger every single time on reaction. When you torpedo, you are GUESSING that Sagat is throwing a low tiger. And the probability greatly favors Sagat. So what if Honda can duck under high tiger? Honda can't advance against the high tiger can he? Look, chances are Sagat will hit Honda with 5 times as many tiger shots as Honda can hit Sagat with a torpedo. You cannot jump against Sagat, TU will beat the crap out of you every time. ok!honda MAY be traped by the high tiger,and he can't hurt sagat,but sagat also can't even hurt honda as well(low tiger = dead,jumpin = dead) i think this match is both get time out then gameover if honda just turtle............ btw,sagat fb recovery is poorer than ryu's....he is not the best fireballer,but may had the fastest fb! Posted by roboticus on 09:18:2001 01:29 PM: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Roboticus Please respond to us w/your two-bit, two-line strategy so that we can all have a laugh. Dale ---------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: Originally posted by nin do u even know wht is honda?i guess u never use him before............he is sagat's killer:duck under high tiger and torpedo low tiger for free!!!!!!!!!!! i wonder why u think he had harder time to esape the fb trap.....coz u are honda and ST newbie...:< Ha! Two (sets of) lines! If your SF style is a predictable as your posting, then HK must truly be a sorry state in the SF scene. Torpedo for free? Whatever. Watch the vids...do you see many people jumping thru Sagat's FB trap? What other two-line, two-bit knowledge can you give about vs. Blanka or Vega? I wonder what would happen if Akuma not banned from tournament? -- scrub Dale Posted by crossover on 09:18:2001 01:35 PM: nin/grimlock/scrub: plain and simple do us all a favor eat some poop go back to scrub heaven where you think you know ST and die thanks Posted by superbooga on 09:18:2001 07:36 PM: quote: Originally posted by nin ok!honda MAY be traped by the high tiger,and he can't hurt sagat,but sagat also can't even hurt honda as well(low tiger = dead,jumpin = dead) i think this match is both get time out then gameover if honda just turtle............ btw,sagat fb recovery is poorer than ryu's....he is not the best fireballer,but may had the fastest fb! You are playing the game at Turbo 3 speed right? No, it still favors Sagat, because Sagat CAN STILL throw a low tiger to do chip damage because Honda has TO GUESS when Sagat will throw a low tiger. Sagat can pin Honda in the corner, and when Sagat's got Honda in the corner and can advance on him, you have to guess your way out of Sagat's FBs. For example, I throw low tiger. You block it. I throw a high tiger. You try to TORPEDO because you THOUGHT i was going to throw a low tiger. But I threw a high tiger instead. And there's no way you can see everytime that a threw a high tiger and decide not to torpedo, it's not reactionary. Remember that there are SIX different types of tiger shots. Also, if I did a low strong, chances are that you'd think I did a low tiger at the first instant. quote: Originally posted by nin btw,sagat fb recovery is poorer than ryu's....he is not the best fireballer,but may had the fastest fb! Sagat has a low fireball. It means he can Uppercut jump-ins more easily than Ryu can, since it takes longer for the opponent to reach Sagat since Sagat is ducking during the fireball. Posted by nin on 09:19:2001 02:20 AM: quote: Originally posted by superbooga You are playing the game at Turbo 3 speed right? No, it still favors Sagat, because Sagat CAN STILL throw a low tiger to do chip damage because Honda has TO GUESS when Sagat will throw a low tiger. Sagat can pin Honda in the corner, and when Sagat's got Honda in the corner and can advance on him, you have to guess your way out of Sagat's FBs. For example, I throw low tiger. You block it. I throw a high tiger. You try to TORPEDO because you THOUGHT i was going to throw a low tiger. But I threw a high tiger instead. And there's no way you can see everytime that a threw a high tiger and decide not to torpedo, it's not reactionary. Remember that there are SIX different types of tiger shots. Also, if I did a low strong, chances are that you'd think I did a low tiger at the first instant. Sagat has a low fireball. It means he can Uppercut jump-ins more easily than Ryu can, since it takes longer for the opponent to reach Sagat since Sagat is ducking during the fireball. u throw a low tiger?nono,u will eat torpedo then HHS,and honda is close to u...... i rank this match is in honda's favour 7-3!!!!!!a middle tier fight! Posted by superbooga on 09:19:2001 04:27 AM: quote: Originally posted by nin u throw a low tiger?nono,u will eat torpedo then HHS,and honda is close to u...... i rank this match is in honda's favour 7-3!!!!!!a middle tier fight! If I throw a low tiger, it will probably be all the way across the screen before you REALIZE that it was a low tiger. If you try to HHS, a TU will beat it everytime. But I'm not saying I would TU everytime, because it's anticipation again. Your problem is that you play waaay too much against the computer. Go out and play some real ppl, then you'll see the importance of anticipation in this game. Posted by rock on 09:19:2001 09:45 AM: quote: Originally posted by superbooga If I throw a low tiger, it will probably be all the way across the screen before you REALIZE that it was a low tiger. If you try to HHS, a TU will beat it everytime. But I'm not saying I would TU everytime, because it's anticipation again. Your problem is that you play waaay too much against the computer. Go out and play some real ppl, then you'll see the importance of anticipation in this game. NOT!!!!u never play against some great honda players....their action is so fucking fast.......they can torpedo u before the tiger come out!!!BTW,the low tiger can't be fire acoss the screen becoz honda will follow sagat..........(honda need his opponent to be close) i mean when u are fall,so i will hhs...not do it careless.....and sagat can't even hurt honda coz he can't fb him...... your problem is U.S. people dun even play honda,so u will underrate him and overated sagat. honda had more win chance in this match. 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